Shameless Sex: #405 How to Eat Pu$$y Like a Champ 2.0 - with Dr. Alison Ash

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Well hello everyone. Hi everybody. April, are you ready to learn how to eat pussy like a champ? 2.0 2.0 2.06 years and seven scores ago. Wait, is that how you wait? What is it? What is it? Four scores? Yes, thank you. I totally crossed that. but that was fun. Six scores close and seven years ago we did this episode. Not really. Where does that come from? Yeah, we did. The wasn't even one point, I was just the episode of how to eat Pussy Like a champ and we were like, we should revisit this because A, a lot of the information has changed slash all educators are learning new things. All your taste buds change every seven years. So you, if you didn't like pussy back then you might not.

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You might Now if it's just related to your taste bud. Yes. So we talk about that on the episode as to why people don't like licking pussy. Not everyone but a lot of people. And if you're interested in it, how you can learn to love it. But also you can be a badass pussy eater, pussy praiser. Also how you could be a receiver though, which is part of the 2.0. Right. It's not just like the giver being amazing, the receiver's not responsible at all. And, I share about how I learned that in the last year or two. I was surprised by that. I know, me too. It's like, wait a second. People always baffled when I'm like, I used to not really like have a mouth in my pussy. I wasn't B for 30 I I just didn't realize it was only a year ago. I thought maybe that was five scores and seven years ago.

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It's pretty recent. And I talk about it on this episode so you'll learn more. And it's not just me and all my stuff. Dr. Aly is amazing. So stay tuned. And we do talk about on this episode because we record the interviews separately from the intro, we do talk about flavored lubes. 'cause you asked her that question right? And we said we have no idea. And then I was like, wait, I do know. Yeah because, because some people like to have the the flavor of skin not masked per se, however, enhanced. Enhanced. Enhanced. Yes. And it's dangerous. I'll use sugary lubes though. You can't use like whip cream. Nah. Uhuh. No. No chocolate. No, no. If you want a science experiment and a yeast infection go that direction.

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I'm laughing about that yeast infection really easily. So I know not to these things. And you look at a hot tub and a swimsuit together and you get a ye of, I look at whipped cream and I'm like, Uhuh do not come near this body. You can do like chest up. But yeah, that's about it. Well so back in the day and we still do this right 'cause we have sponsors that send us a bunch of products. We don't talk about them if we don't like them. Just so you know. There's a lot that we don't talk about And we also both worked at pure pleasure. So we're very familiar with a couple brands and and we would taste them. I used to like walk around the shop when I was bored for 12 years and just eat flavored lube that I liked. And so let's talk about that. Well and there's, they've also done improvements because modern sciences and so Thiel has been one of both of our favorites for a while and it, they've changed packaging and it looks a little bit more sleek and they make water-based lubes.

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But there's yummy pussy friendly flavored lubes. It's only three very calm flavors like Mint, coconut, vanilla, the coconut though. And they're made in Canada and by the women owned company. So they did a lot of research. Yeah. And which one do you like? The one? The coconut. The coconut. Yes. Well that was the top seller in Pure pleasure for for many years. Yeah. And we like we sold the other ones but that one And I think it's 'cause we were recommending it because that's one of the things I'd be like, I'm just gonna eat this for five. Well that's the thing. So they did a whole rebranding and so it's going to be I think soon-ish. They're having a big splash in the US because you know FDA regulations Orange job for lawyers, they have to pass all the testing.

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And I. Think the flavored lubes gonna be on Pure pleasure. I'm really hopeful. Yeah. And if not you can go to Sutil like SUTI l.com. Yeah and check out their brands. You can get their lube. They only have like, I don't know. Yeah, it's all water based product all, I mean it's our top favorite water based lube too. Absolutely. They, they make amazing, amazing stuff and we're super picky, especially when it comes to taste buds. Hyaluronic acid. So you can actually, and there's no glycerin. There's no glycerin. Which is rare. And obviously people always ask us about water-based 'cause Uber Lube is our number one for everything. but it has no flavor, which is great. But if you're looking for flavor, like a flavor and it can be just a fun, maybe you, you like the the skin on skin taste, but it can also just be entertaining. Like oh this is a fun time.

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It's like a laup tacky. I don't feel like it get, it gets tacky. So if you want some water-based action that's toy safe too. Yeah. Or pussy Safe. You can go with Sutil. It's also Coaf as safe. Just safe. S-U-T-I-L. That's how you spell it, right? S-U-T-I-L-S-U-T-I-L. And if you So some other recommendations for products that I also sold well at Pure pleasure and that I enjoyed eating just randomly on a shift five days a week on your cereal. Yeah, I pour it on my cereal. And again there's a lot of flavored Lume brands out there that taste like cough medicine. They have weird ingredients. You said lubricants, which I think is so cute. Did I say Lume? Lume, lube ingredients. Luan. It's super cute. It's a lubricant. I've always really liked the Swiss Navy specifically the passion fruit flavor and also the wicked brand.

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I like their mango. I also like some of their more like creamy flavors like the butterscotch and then what's the other one? Salted caramel. Oh. And these products do have glycerin though. Okay. So if you are prone to yeast infections, do not put this in or near your pussy. Like I eat Eat those things. I put them on my nipples, I put them on partner's cock and nipples co. Okay. But not in my pussy. If you put it on a cock, will you wash the cock before it goes in your pussy? I'll suck that thing dry before it goes in my pussy. Don't worry. Fellatio 2.0 episode coming out soon with Dr Aly Ash. I'm serious. s true. It's true. So if you wanna try any of these or if the sutil flavored is finally a pure pleasure but otherwise go to sutil. S-U-T-I-L not a sponsor of the podcast. We just love them. SUTI l.com.

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But otherwise for these other ones you can go to pure pleasure shop.com, use copa code Shameless Sex. You get 15% off and you get a discount. So you could do like a little taste test. You don't like it but just put on your nips or give it to a friend. Yeah. Butter scotch does not make me happy though. No, but salted caramel, that that would make me happy. Okay. Coconut no one else makes me happy. What This sex question I Oh right. I like it. I like it. Alright, here we go. Nice transition. I like it. Dating apps exhaust me. I'm a single 34-year-old man. Kinky but not 24 7 or part of all of the sex I have and I've done monogamy and I'm not opposed to it again. But I'm also interested in trying out non-monogamy.

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I go on a fair amount of dates with people but they always seem to be more traditional in their sexual interests than I am. And then it doesn't work out and I'm back to putting in the work again. Are there apps or ways to meet people who might be more like me? Oh? yeah there are. There is. People will find them. There is, this is a great question and also very common. Do you get that a lot from people? Like I'm exhausted by dating apps and it's hard to find people that really match my interest. The swiping Oh. yeah, the endless swiping and the endless swiping exhaustion. It's like a job. Yeah, it's like being on an email a thousand times a day. It's like applying for jobs actually. Yeah, exactly. Interviews left and right and then extra frustrating when you're trying that and you meet people and you share something about yourself.

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Like for this person I'm into kink and they're like Ugh or I, they're not saying that's the response. So And I find that personally. And I found that in monogamous relationships well before, sorry, dating and then also non-monogamous relationships where I've used different apps. And, I am you know, a wild free sexual being that you know, trying to be as shameless as possible. Yes you are. And so I have found the best app is Field. I've told you all about it. You've told Right. And I've had other people talk about field. They're like thank you for introducing me to Field. If I didn't know about it from Shameless Sex, I would've never met this person or had this experience. Because you can, I think it like non-monogamy you can put on your profile if you're into threesomes.

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Okay, well talk more about it because I've actually never done it but Amy has told me about it. And I live vicariously through her dating apps. All the times you have for A Real. Long time. For a long time now. So, okay, so what I like about field is it is the app that you can actually share and embrace your desires including sexual desires. Right? So if you're a kinky person, I can say on there I'm a kinky person, like this person but not 24 7 And I don't know what kind of kink they're into. But say this person is into power play, right? And, I'm into power play And. I enjoy being a dom. Looking for a sub who's also not 24 7. Whereas if you did that on like, I won't say the other names for other apps, but if you did in other apps, people might be like Ugh. Although that could screen them out because isn't there like no algorithmic functionality?

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Yes. With this it's different. It's, it's like so you get to see everyone. You get to see everyone. They make their own choices. Yeah. They don't hide people from you there based on whatever age or gender or sexual preferences. Yeah. Or kinks. Right. That's really cool. That's cool. It makes it easier, more direct. You can be honest. You can find like-minded people. They can read about you. You have to put this in your profile though. You mean like the the good old days? The glory, the the glory, the good in person days. So we are beyond that. So field, that's F-E-E-L-D everyone again like the app where you can actually share your desires. And, I just shared how this person can do that. And so if I wanted a threesome, it's good for threesomes, it's good for monogamy, it's good for what if I know I'm a unicorn then put that in your profile 'cause you can get a lot of hits. People looking for unicorns all over the place.

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I'm already thinking about the emojis. That would be really helpful. Can I help? What would you do for a unicorn? I'd put the unicorn on emoji G. Oh and then the wet, that's actually pretty straightforward. And then the wet, that means you were into squirting I think if you were to do that on field. Okay. Okay. Anyways, so do that 'cause you are into squirting. So go and put this all in your profile on field and you can meet people that read that and then you read their profile and everyone is at least trying to be as transparent as possible And then you chances of finding like-minded people are opt versus all the other apps. It's brilliant. It's amazing. I've always loved it. Well since I've been using it for the last number of years, I love technology. Okay, so that's F-E-E-L-D. Yes. To download the field app for free. Yep. And about that. And it's on your app store?

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It's on Google play. Although I don't even know if that's a thing anymore. That might be YouTube play, I'm not sure. And we'll put the link in the show notes and for this person, go and try it out. And if you wanna email us back in like a month and let us know how how it's going. Well yeah, thanking us too. We would love to hear from you because that is super interesting. at least to me. I'm saying that for me. Do it. Do it. Go check it out. Alright, ready for a bio chip? I'm ready. Let's do it. Dr. Alison Ash, AKA. Dr. Aly is a trauma informed intimacy coach and educator. Stanford University Lecturer author and founder of TurnON Love As, a sociologist with a PhD from Stanford.

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She understands the complex societal challenges that lead to unsatisfying and disempowering intimate experiences. to learn more go to TurnON love. All right everyone, it is interview time and we are here with Dr Aly who is also Dr. Alison Ash. And she has been, this is her eighth time on our show. you know, we love our repeat guests and we love them for a reason because they're awesome and we love all of our guests. But there's a reason why we have certain people like Dr. Aly back on our show over and over and over again.

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Dr. Ali's talked about everything from how to be intuitive lover to breakups to all kinds of stuff, dating all kinds of things. And the, this wasn't the, wasn't the first episode, but it was the second episode, second time you were on our show was called How to Eat Pussy Like A Champ. And we are revisiting a little bit here. So before we dive in though, even though y'all maybe heard Aly Dr. All on our show seven times now eight, or you also listened to the intro, you already heard a little bit about Dr. Aly in the bio, but Dr. Aly, you know the drill. Can you please tell us and our listeners a little bit more about how you got to where you're today in the field of sexuality?

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Sure. Yes. So currently I work as an intimacy coach and educator, And I. Also lecture at Stanford University where I got my PhD several years ago now, gosh I feel old in sociology where I specialized in sex and gender. And I really loved my experience at Stanford. And I also really discovered that doing research was not the ultimate end goal for me. And some of the fundamental research that we worked on was around college hookup culture. We pioneered research into the or orgasm gap and it inspired me to wanna take these findings and offered them outside of academia so that people could create more nourishing, more empowering sexual experiences, have more access to pleasure and loving teaching, not loving the institution of academia as much as being my own boss bitch, I decided to start my own business offering workshops and courses and coaching for individuals and couples so that I could continue to make this really important education as accessible as possible.

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Boom. That's awesome. You were also quoted in our book, not only quoted, but the advice that you gave was incredible. I think there were at least two different segments. And, I can't remember now because one was the fantasies part. Yes. Yeah. Fan one was the fantasies and we are forever grateful for that. And if y'all haven't got our book checking out and it's behind us on YouTube, Dr. Aly was saying, she's like, I love your real books behind you. We're not, we don't have A Real green screen or something and they're real physical books and we so love the information that you've provided. Every single show. Every single book. Well we only have one and

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One for now. One for now.

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It's great that we're revisiting this because that was that show. That was our And I. Don't know if it's still is. I haven't looked at the stats, I'm sure it's up there. Or one of our most listened to podcasts of all of the catalog of shows that we've done that How to eat Pussy Like a Champ. That was show number 1 0 7. I didn't remember that. It's written down everyone. That would be amazing. So that was, as Amy said the second time and six years ago, I can't believe where the time has gone. I feel six years younger. So we wanna revisit this topic because things change, right? And advice can shift or you learn more. And I know you're always doing research and you're always doing the development and you really hone in on people's pleasure.

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so I love that we're talking to you six years later. So to start this conversation, this brand new brand spanking new conversation about the Poe, can you share some of the top reasons why some people quote unquote don't like eating pussy?

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Yes. And also some reasons why people don't like receiving pussy eating. Because I think that's one of the ways that this workshop has shifted over the years is to explore both what it means to be a champ, quality giver, but also what it means to be a champ quality receiver. Because champ quality pus eating requires both a skillful giver and a skillful receiver. And. I think that people don't like giving oftentimes because they don't feel confident. And when something feels unfamiliar or awkward or that you don't feel cnce in your skills, then you're gonna be in your head and that's gonna be a lot more of a uncomfortable experience. Maybe you're enduring having to give, oftentimes people aren't connected with their own desire, they're trying to figure out the pussy like some sort of equation.

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And then it's less about following their own desire and curiosity and impulses. And I always say the number one thing that makes somebody excellent at eating pussy is loving it. And so a lot of it is connecting folks with their desire, what they find attractive, what they find erotic, what feels compelling, and to really connect with their own erotic desire when they're in a place of giving.

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Yeah, I like how you worded all of that in that you brought in the receiving part of it. And so And, I have much to say about that. 'cause I didn't like mouth on my posty that much until like a year ago, but really a year, like a year ago. Whoa. Yeah, I was always kind of like ticklish and like even if I had lovers that like you know, had skills were confident in it, in what they were doing, they wanted to be, they had all those things my body was like, I don't know, I don't know. And now I have a greater understanding of what I need. And I can talk about that in a little bit, but coming back to the confidence piece here, So, it sounds like learning and practicing oral skills as the giver, but then also as the receiver.

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I'm sure there's other things, but that's really important to be confident and there's other pieces there too. But what would you say for some, so for people who are trying to become more confident around their, let's talk about the giving thing, like how they're trying to be more confident in that department. Is learning and practicing oral, oral skills like the number one thing they can do or like why is that so important? Yeah,

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I think that if you wanna feel more confident giving, it's important to understand the anatomy of the pussy to really understand all of the different ways you can give pleasure. I think you know, especially porn, which is just such a bad form of sex education, so many cases people will focus a lot of attention on the clit. They will finger bang the vagina as if their fingers are a cock and they'll oftentimes actually focus on the clitoris in a very hard forceful manner because especially if they have a penis, they're trying to pleasure the pussy like it's a penis And. I think that the reality is is that your tongue and your fingers can do all sorts of things that a penis cannot do.

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And I think it's really important to utilize the diversity of sensations that you can give and the ways that you can create more TurnON. I I always say that champ quality proceeding starts from turning on the brain because when you can TurnON the brain and warm up the entire body, what happens is the brain starts to send the blood flow to the pussy and the clutter is actually an average about six inches long. Most of that's inside the body, it wraps around the vaginal canal. And so when blood is flowing to the pussy, it's pulsating on the internal clitoris and it gives you what I call the female blue balls. It's like Ugh, I just need to get fucked.

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you know that aching, throbbing Ugh, that feeling is so good and you can, you can get somebody really close to orgasm or really ready for pussy pleasure before you ever touch their pussy. And and so that's where I think realizing that there's a really big toolkit people could draw from.

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I love that. I wish we had a giant vulva puppet to be like throbbing pulsating, which, so you kind of went into just a tiny layer of the clitoris. Obviously every single person's genitals are like their fingerprints. There's no two alike, right? However, there is anatomy 1 0 1 where people can kind of figure out where things are on the vulva. And I keep saying that And I was with a bunch of dudes this last weekend. Like are you talking about the Volvos? Do you like really love Volvos? It happens every time you have. This happens when you hang out with a bunch of dudes all the time. And, I'm like Volvo. And they're like, oh you're a vagina. I'm like, no, talk about the outside. And they're like, oh, one of 'em was 0.5 and he was very curious.

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So I thought I was really grateful for that, asking him if he wanted the lesson. So I better coming from you because you are such an expert. Can you give us all a little anatomy on the vulva pussy 1 0 1 slash let's do slash pussy specifically re related to munching box Like a champ.

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Well call your vulva. Your vagina is like calling your face your throat.

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The good job. I'm gonna use that now every time. Aly Dr. Aly, thank you so much for that. That's brilliant.

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Yeah, totally. So the vulva is the external anatomy of the pussy. It includes the inner and outer lips and the clitoris and the hood, which is the part of the skin that may or may not cover the clitoris depending on, as you said, the shape of the pussy and the, and the, and the clitoris and the size of the hood. And then the vagina is the cavity that is penetrated that leads from the outside of the vulva all the way to the uterus. And so if you're playing with a penis or a finger or a toy, you're penetrating the vagina. Ah.

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And the clitoris is wrapping around. Yeah. So you're only seeing right, the tip of the iceberg and on the outside, right?

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That's right. All the rest of that erectile tissue, it, it actually both circum, it circumvents the entire vaginal canal so that when you're being penetrated, you're stimulating your internal clitoris. It also has these two tiny little spokes that go up towards the butt. And so sometimes if you're having a really big orgasm, you might feel some things happening in your lower back or your butt. And that's actually the, the little tails of your clitoris as well.

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What they go that far. I actually didn't realize that that has happened where I'm like, see new information. I love, I love that. Have you known about this forever? This part? Why have you been holding out on us? That's why she's

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Said, you know that we put a man in the moon in the fifties. We invented the internet in the seventies. We did not understand the full anatomy of the clitoris until 1998.

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That's like sad. What? Not surprising really.

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It's really not. That's why we need more people with pussies in stem for

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Sure. It makes sense about all of my like teenage hookups because no one really knew about what was going on anyway. Like they never talk. I didn't even know but it was going on in my body. No I didn't either.

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One of the other new pieces of anatomy that I talk about in the workshop since I was last on your show. So this all comes from a workshop I teach called How to Eat Pacifica Champ. Just for the listeners who might not know that And I talk about the different nerve pathways that are involved for orgasm with the person who has a pussy. And there's four main different nerve pathways that mean that we can have categorically different kinds of orgasms. So when we talk about multiple orgasms, that might mean having an orgasm and then a little bit later having another orgasm. Or it can mean having multiple different kinds of orgasms at the same time. And so one of the nerves, the denal nerve is if you're having like an external clitoral orgasm or if you're having orgasm from the just pleasuring, the very entrance to the vagina or the entrance to the anus, actually that will all be adenal nerve orgasm.

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And then if you go a little deeper, closer to where the G spot and the A spot is, that's gonna be more of a pelvic floor orgasm and then deeper into the vagina where the anus is, where you would have a hypogastric and a vagus nerve orgasm. And I think one of the things that's so cool to know about this is the first three, the pelvic pudendal and hypogastric go through the spinal cord but the vagus nerve does not. So you could be a a paraplegic and still have a vagus nerve orgasm.

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Oh

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Heck. And you said a Sorry Amy. No you're good. And I. Don't wanna interrupt the, the A spot is something that I get asked about a lot and it's this mystery, the G area there is, people know about the G spot, G area that is now more known as because it's more of an area less than a spot, the A spot. Can you talk a little bit about that?

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Yes. And I love that you made that distinction. 'cause it is very much an area. So if you put your tongue on the roof of your mouth and you put it towards the, the the closer to your teeth where you feel the ridges, that's more what your G-spot will feel like. But softer, it's the spongy texture like area. And if you're penetrating a pussy, it's kind of on the other side of the pubic bone. And of course because every body is different, sometimes you may really have to hook your fingers. It's kind of tucked behind the pubic bone. Sometimes it's more shallow. The a spot, if you put your tongue on the roof of your mouth farther back where it's smooth, that's more what the A spot feels like. So it smooth by the

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Ula.

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Yeah, yeah. It's like smooth and wet. And so again, if you think of the of the vagina, like the clock and the top of the vagina is 12 o'clock, which is closer to the pubic bone, to the belly button belly, the G spots along the 12 o'clock axis. And then the A spot which stands for anterior fornix is right behind it. Mm. Okay. And this is actually also where the schemes ducts. So if somebody is squirting, what's happening is that is coming from the schemes glands, which are located in the path mayland as well. If we wanna get super geeky and technical, which are near the G-spot a spot. And then that gets ejected from the vulva, they ral skin ducts that are kind of near the urethra.

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I love how, I mean, penises you're complicated too, but pussies are, there's just, there's a lot going on. Hence why I always found it interesting when I used to teach in-person sex ed workshops that the fellatio blowjob classes would be like sold out every time. And that that how to eat a pussy was like half you never knew, you never knew what you're going to get. but it always felt to me like that needed more education. But you know, a lot of vulva owning, you know, straight, you know, cis, cis women were like, I wanna learn how to please my man. Nothing wrong with that, but everyone else who I loves the pussy consider learning as well. And that's why you're here, right? You're listening.

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Well and also I have so many straight cis women who come to howdy pusy like a chant because the reality is, is if you've never, you know, you could be in a locker room, you don't actually see what people's pussies look like, unlike in the locker room where you see all sorts of different penises. And so I think a, it can be really normalizing to see the range of what pussies look like. That can be deeply deifying. And also sometimes it feels like this black box, it's like, oh I don't know what to ask for. It's like that thing my ex used to do or didn't do. It's like it can feel like a mystery. And so giving folks access to language and menus of options so that they know how to co-create their sexual experiences more can be so much more empowering.

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Yeah, definitely. Yep. And that's what we're doing right now. Hopefully no one's offended by the same pussy, puss pussy, but we like same pussy and Volvo. Just kidding. Okay, so when it comes to the pussy, what are some applicable tips and tools that might apply to most? This is like, you know, kind of more like the basic 1 0 1 most pussy pleasure. But I wanna expand that to both giving and receiving, right? Like some of some tools and tips for just like the 1 0 1, the basics for for that would be pretty consistent for giving oral on a pussy and then also as a receiver that would be beneficial for the receiver.

4 (30m 24s):

Yeah. So few tips. One, I really like to think about how some people want more intense stimulation either externally or internally. And some people want lighter stimulation. And so it's really important to figure out how does this particular pussy tend to like to be touched. And of course there can be a ramping up effect. Maybe they wanna start lighter and then they like it a little bit more intense. But some pussies will only want clu stimulation on top of the hood so that there's this kind of barrier that can make it feel less sensitive, less ticklish, less intense. Some people want you to pull the hood back so you can pleasure the clitoris or if the clitoris is larger and the hood it's already protruding from the hood and but but directly on the clitoris and then with your tongue you can make it either pointy or flat.

4 (31m 11s):

And if you make it pointy it's gonna be more intense and if you make it flat it's going to be less intense. And, I think that those are some really good ways that you can modulate how much sensation somebody may be

0 (31m 23s):

Experiencing. What about the W tongues? I can't do that. But you know the people that can make the Ws,

4 (31m 27s):

I sure can. I can't do that either. But I do teach this one technique called the fuzzy blanket, which I actually was inspired by Nina Hartley. This is one of her moves where you do exactly what you just did. April, where you, you you make your tongue like a little taco. Yeah. And, and then you can let the clitoris kind of land in your tongue

0 (31m 46s):

Like the taco meat. Like the meat, A masturbation sleeve.

4 (31m 50s):

Exactly right. Exactly right. Amy. And so then either they can kind of hump your tongue or you can gently suck on their clit, but it's given them this nice little fuzzy blanket to to rest in because they can feel really intense to have your clit slapped. And this is a way to also make that feel safer so people can stay in their body and stay in the present moment.

0 (32m 11s):

Yeah. And then what about, so the, you were saying earlier the enthusiasm piece, maybe that's not the word you use. I always think of that as midori, right? Enthusiasm, which is great. Right? So it's like really not just like pretending like you're enjoying it as the the giver, but you actually are finding a way to enjoy it and that's really, is that like a kind of consistent tip that would work for most oral?

4 (32m 34s):

Yes, definitely And. I also think it can be a profoundly hearing healing experience to worship a pussy. I remember the first time I was in my twenties that I had this, this lover, he is older than me and he just like laid me back and took his time like in awe, just telling me how gorgeous my pussy was, how excited he was to pleasure me. And with genuine reverence and delight, And I think there's so much puy pussy shame in our culture.

0 (33m 5s):

Puy pussy shame, pushy puy shame.

4 (33m 7s):

Exactly.

0 (33m 8s):

It's hard to say.

4 (33m 11s):

And so I think that when you can affirm what you love about the pussy for the receiver and also for yourself and stay connected to what feels good to you, I think whenever we're in a place of giving, whether it's a massage or a pussy eating, we're trying to give the best pleasure we can give. But then the receiver a will start to feel like a goal oriented energy that's not great. They'll feel pressure to have a particular outcome. 'cause they can tell how committed you are to giving them to that set outcome. Versus if you're doing it in a way that feels exciting to you, you're, you're giving pussy pleasure for your pleasure and that doesn't mean that you're ignoring consent, you're still gonna be attuning to what the receiver likes.

4 (33m 55s):

But instead of trying to figure out the receiver first and then locating your desire somewhere in the mix, start with your desire, what feels good to you and attune from there.

0 (34m 5s):

And then what about for the receiver? Like what are kind of some basic tips or would be helpful or apply to most receivers?

4 (34m 13s):

I think it can be really helpful to know that you can communicate verbally and non-verbally before, during, and after And I think verbal communication before and after is so important. So on the onset I might say something like, I really like incredibly soft stimulation on my clutter. And it's, and I'll say also, it can be very hard for lower to learn this. So I'm gonna say softer, softer, softer. And. I want you to know it's not you. I'm just helping to remind, 'cause it can be challenging. And that gives me permission to then say, no, no softer, no, no, no, no softer still. Or I'll say like, I like really intense stimulation on my G-spot. So you can kind of give them an understanding what it is that you like.

4 (34m 54s):

If you don't know what you like, then you can say something to the effect of, I'd love to explore together, which is so hot. And can we check in a lot and can we have some good communication during, or come to my workshop or take it online so that you can know more of what you want. And then during a sexual experience, there are some women who, or some people with pussies who can just like speak volumes. And then there are other people for whom once they're having pleasure words totally go out the window. And if that's the case for you, working out some nonverbal cues can be so helpful. So I had this lover for a long time who is really funny because she could geek out about anything. But once we were having sex, she got so quiet and also a little still.

4 (35m 37s):

So her body wasn't always letting me know when she was orgasming. So I'd have her tap me and she would tap me for as long as she was coming. And that way I would know. So I wouldn't change up what I was doing. And by the way, this is also really good if you're camping, you're at festivals, you're at your parents' house. And so a really good hack so that you can let somebody know when you're having an orgasm because you don't want them to change it up when you're, when you're having an orgasm because that can oftentimes interrupt the orgasm.

0 (36m 3s):

I love that we, when we first session with you, we recorded when you lived in Oakland, I think in person and you had to, and it was a different topic, but we talked about the tapping And I can't remember the topic. Come on. That would be, I think it's how to be intuitive lover. Maybe. Maybe. But I, yes. Good job remembering Amy And I know I looked earlier on that. Oh good. Okay. We'll good job. And I've talked about that giving you credit and many times because sometimes you don't have the words. Sometimes you could just be a shy verbal person and shy meaning I don't have the word right now. How do I make it so it's not going to seem like a rejection for what they're doing. So let's work out a tap system. And. I will say I, as much as I do speak openly about sex and Shameless Sex and about most things, I'm actually a quite a shy person when it comes down to asking for what I want.

0 (36m 49s):

Especially in the bedroom. I've had to really work on it. And your tools have helped in the past And. I have to use that. Even though I've been with my partner for seven plus years. Even this morning when we were in action, I had to tell him to, to go softer. Go softer. And that shifts sometimes what he's starting to really get to know my body by now. And he knows that it's also an adjustment to make every time you're touching or going down on a pussy, even if you're familiar with that pussy. That's right. Because it's sometimes And, I need no matter what And, I don't know if y'all are like this, I need some moisture on the outside. I cannot, I can't start to warm up my body until I get like some lube or something that isn't, I can't just have dry hand on my external bits, my VA hundred percent because it doesn't feel good to me.

0 (37m 38s):

I get like Ugh, you need Uber lube. Well you use it well yes. This is why it's like everywhere he has it, don't worry. Yes. So I'm just affirming that even if folks out there don't know how to talk to folks, this tapping situation have used it many times as well. And I, love that.

4 (37m 54s):

Yeah. And you could also add in like a squeezing could mean like harder or like a one squeeze could mean softer. Like there's all sorts of ways that you can, but this is where the communication before and after it needs to come in verbally so that you can align around what these different nonverbal cues and signals might mean. And, I think one of the hottest ways to debrief afterwards, which I have to say I really wish there was a sexier word than debriefing because I think debriefing is hot. And I always love to ask either what were some frames that really stood out to you? Or pretend you're talking to your best friend or you're writing in your journal, like what would you say just happened? And you can refer to me in third person.

4 (38m 35s):

So then I'm like, oh, and so and so did this and then that. And like there's something really erotic about getting to experience what the other person's experiencing through their eyes.

0 (38m 45s):

What I, what I was just asking Amy, I was like, what do we do after the integration? You could do an integration rather than a debriefing. Oh, I like that. Integrate what we've learned. And it feels a little bit maybe, I don't know, maybe people are like eye rolling, but that could be nice rather than debriefing, which sounds like you're like part of the FBI and you're like sitting here for the debriefing. We have a confidential courtroom or something. Yeah, a a courtroom. So I, I've, I love this debriefing slash the Cliffs notes of what did you, what were your takeaways from this experience? So I have a question about advice because clearly there are people that I've talked to that are like, I just don't like pussy smells.

0 (39m 27s):

Or I just, I don't like the hair in my mouth or I don't like the taste. Right. The don't, don't don don. So advice for people who are pussy lovers or pussy havers that don't like those pieces of the pussy.

4 (39m 42s):

Yeah. So you know, I think that there's ways that you could have a neurotic shower with each other beforehand. I always like doing that. I think that can be really sweet. Sometimes you can use your hands to like part the Red sea, put your hands on the outer lips and you can kind of pull the hair away so that you can have more access to the inner lips or to the clitoris without having hair in your mouth. Sometimes the odor is because there's a bacterial infection or some something that needs to be dressed. But you know, the reality is, is that pussies aren't meant to smell like nothing. They have a taste, they have a smell that's super normal. And I think it's about really finding what you can find attractive and hot about it.

4 (40m 25s):

Or sometimes it's like having a cup of your favorite tea nearby. Make sure that there's no sugar in it so that you don't give somebody an yeast infection. But you can play with different temperatures. Like I think drinking some hot tea and then going down on somebody is so erotic. 'cause then they're like experiencing this heat on their pussy, which is really nice. And so get yourself some mint tea or something with a strong flavor that can be really, really nice as well.

0 (40m 49s):

How do you feel about flavored lube? The good ones.

4 (40m 52s):

Not my own personal preference, but I think that's a wonderful option out there for, for some people. And remember, not everybody's gonna like the same thing, so I don't want you to hear, oh, Dr Ally doesn't like it. I should never do that. No. There's a lot of people out there that are gonna love flavored lube. And so I think it's, it's definitely something to try.

0 (41m 7s):

Do you two ever have this experience where like, I check my pussy out a lot. I'm like, what's she, how, what's she, what's up? What her today like in the mirror? Just like, no, I'm like, put my finger. I'm like put, I almost, I I'm putting my fingers inside my pussy almost every day. Not for pleasure. I'm checking it out. I'm like, and then I'm like sniffing it. Do you ever have those days though, where you, where you, if you do that, you smell your own pussy and you're like, that smells really good. Like I get like, I like can't stop sniffing my pan. Do you guys, you do this at all? Yes. Am I alone?

4 (41m 35s):

No, you're not alone. You're not alone at all. And I think we can, you know, explore our, our pussies for so many reasons. And if you're trying to have sex or not, I mean trying to have a baby or not have a baby, certainly putting your fingers in your pussy and learning how you get different kinds of wetness throughout your cycle can be really helpful to know. But also just, yeah, I think getting more accustomed with pussy smell can be really helpful. And, I. Think also there is a positive biofeedback loop when you're having really great sex and it smells like sex in the room, then you're gonna start to associate that smell with pleasure.

0 (42m 10s):

Totally. Yeah. And I, like you said, pussies are supposed to have a scent. It's not like they don't smell like anything. They don't smell like flowers. Although when I love the smell of my pussy, it's more sweet. It's like Ooh. It smells like pussy candy Fact, most pussy owners need some sort of clitoral stimulation to orgasm and many are not having orgasms from penetrative sex. Say what? I know, right? This is one of the many reasons why we are obsessed with OMG. Yes. Not only has it changed our lives in the orgasm department, but I've been recommending OMG s to my clients for years and it's completely changed their sex lives as well.

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0 (44m 19s):

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0 (45m 1s):

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0 (45m 44s):

Yes. It shows like the colors So it. Yes, exactly. And so you swab and then you, you look at the color and if it's like green or something, it's just the, the stick turns green though. The fluid is, it's non green. If that was the thing that would be slimer in there. Not No, no, no. And that helps because there it is such, there's such a balance. The flora, the fauna, and you wanna have the healthy balance. And sometimes if you're on antibiotics, right, like people take antibiotics and it clears out all the good bacteria in your body. And, I use my pussy. It's like, it's like a barometer of what's going on. I'm like, I need to adjust some things. And there's lots of tools from doctors out there that, or boric acid or, there's different ways that you can, if you have BV or the Ella, Ella, candida, candida.

0 (46m 28s):

Don't, don't quote me, I'm not a doctor. Gelato. Gelato, if you have any sorbet, you can tell and I've, I know we have mutual friends Amy that have talked about women they've gone down on and they're like, her pussy had this smell like it was tuna fish. That's how all pussy smell or right. And I'm like, no, no, that's it. Probably a BV infection. And if you don't know, so if your pussy smells off, then test it or you know, get, that's why I'm putting my fingers in there every day. Yeah. Make it And. I had chronic BV for a while and, and we figured out what it was and it was something my partner was actually eating and now that he doesn't have that anymore, never had another bacterial infection since.

0 (47m 9s):

So fascinating. What was he eating? So. it was, well it was more like this vitamin, he was taking And I. Don't wanna shame the vitamin, but I'll tell you after, I mean it was a vitamin he ate, he didn't stick in his butt or anything, but it was, yeah, So, it was something that threw off. And I'd never had BV before and it was like chronic for like two years. And I was like, this is not how my pussy smells. So I just wanna say I out there, like if you do have a pussy or own a pussy or you're comfortable enough to talk to your partner, you can say like, Hey, maybe there's an imbalance in bacteria and there's easy ways to get that. The suppository of the like prebiotic and probiotics, right? You can get those if you wanna go natural, you can get different antibiotics from the doctor. I, I don't like to do those, but bring it back to the question that I know that I think that Amy has now because I just wanted to share that And I Dunno if you have anything to add, Dr.

0 (47m 58s):

Aly?

4 (47m 58s):

No, I think that's all. Excellent, excellent advice. And I think what's so important is to be able to have those conversations without shame and blame and it's vulnerable. And to just hold that with the vulnerability because, you know, I just have so many memories of being a kid and having boys talk about pussy smelling like fish and just all of this stuff that can be really deep in the subconscious that can make it hard to get the medical care that we need. Because if we feel ashamed about it, we might wanna hide it. And then that becomes this kind of vicious cycle.

0 (48m 30s):

Yes, exactly. And, I, think do we still live in a penis centric era? Time culture at least. And so there's, and there's penis shame for sure. We just did an episode on that, that came out actually today. But still there's like something that is a little more, like a lot of people think of a pussies as kind of like nasty or dirty or, or there's something that, that it's like more acceptable to put your mouth on a cock. I know it's external, blah, blah, blah. But I'm sorry, cock owners, they're still peeing out of that thing, so I don't know what they're doing with this. So, and it's, it's like, I mean they're just, they're the same parts just organized in different ways as Emily Naski would say. So, but my next question is more about, so say I am a pussy owner who loves receiving oral, but my partner isn't into it or just doesn't offer it.

0 (49m 14s):

And so I'm, I'm going to get there because I obviously wasn't that for a while, as I said earlier. And, and so the, and I'll bring this like the tips or tools that worked for me. So as I was saying, my, the, you know, having just a mouth on my pussy kind of felt ticklish pokey. It was like my, my system couldn't settle. It was waiting for like the next thing. And part of that was definitely receiving barrier that I had. And the first couple people that I had penetrative sex within my teenage years never went down on me. I never asked for it and they never offered it. So I think that kind of stuck with me. But what I ended up discovering And I think I'll, I'll say thank you to my partner for being a part of this journey. Amazing, amazing human in all of the pleasure departments and still for a couple years with me, even though he's, he's, you know, enthusiasm or he loves the pussy, there's, there's not, it's not, he's not goal oriented.

0 (50m 3s):

All the things I still couldn't really settle. And what I discovered for myself is I need a lot of just say foreplay. Like you said, working with the brain first. but it just like you, April, you need lube or something moist. I need hands on my vulva before a mouth goes on my pussy. And it, 'cause I would've noticed if I, if a mouth just goes there, I, it's, I get that like, kind of thing. And so the hands and the hands are more like, they're not just like diddling my clit, you know, they're like kind of massaging the, the outer labia and rubbing around the clit and then my body can be ready for oral. So that was, I mean, it sounds simple, right? But I just didn't realize how important that was for me. And then the other thing that I've discovered is one, my clip boner, which April And I both kind of learned a lot more about clip bone in the last number of years that by paying attention to And, I don't, I don't necessarily feel my clip owner like just by feeling it energetically.

0 (50m 58s):

If I take my fingers, I can feel that it's actually like, you know, a mini penis or a mini penis is actually my clitoris. And as opposed, so like that has helped. It's like my, I need it to be get into that place before a mouth goes there, right? Like, so the fingers are doing that. I have the clip owner now I can have a mouth. And lastly, I think I was being more of a quiet, less active receiver as opposed to using my body to grind or move the way I want, wherever I want the mouth to be. And so I started doing that more and that was a game changer as opposed to just laying there and receiving and like maybe making some sounds and like light movements, And. then when people ask me, they're like, you know what, tell me what you like when they are going to touch my pussy.

0 (51m 41s):

I know these things. Number one, the hands part, like I need hands for a while before your mouth. And the other thing is, what I've told partners or lovers is if you see, if you're, you feel my body moving towards you, like I'm trying to push my pussy into your mouth, that's a good thing. And if you see me kind of like pulling away, or even if it's subtle, that means that there's something that is probably too much And, I am like you April were like, I am less vocal in sex other than like more like the slutty things that I say. Anyways. So that's, that was like me on the, the end of how I learned to be the person I'm talking about right now. Pussy owner who loves receiving. And this isn't applied to my partner, but say I, I had a, I have a partner who never offers or isn't into it.

0 (52m 22s):

Is there anything I can say or do to up my chances of getting that mouth in my box?

4 (52m 27s):

Yes. I love that question. And I also wanna add in something that I discovered really helps me be ready to receive pussy pleasure, which is when my partner puts his mouth, usually first over my underwear, even my pants, depending on what I'm wearing. And does that hot breath you would do on a window to kind of write in it, not the lips, pursed cold breath, but that hot breath. And I'll just actually have him put his mouth over my, my, my whole vulva and just hot, I call it hot breath for a while, like a minute or two, maybe even a little longer. And my pussy just really starts to be able to receive. And so I think it is really normal to have the things that are going to make you feel more in your body and more relaxed.

4 (53m 15s):

And, and it's great that, that you discover what it is for you. And I'm always continuing to rediscover what it is for me. And I, just wanna normalize that for, for the other s out there. Now if you wanna receive and your partner isn't a super generous pussy eater, then I think there's a few things that you could do. One you can explain to them about how important that is for helping you be able to experience more pleasure overall. I know for myself, when I have pussy pleasure before penetrative sex, I'm much more likely to have an orgasm during penetrative sex or more orgasms or bigger orgasms. So helping them understand how it's a part of your overall erotic makeup of what gets you going can be really helpful.

4 (53m 58s):

Giving them positive feedback about what you enjoy about it, about how it makes you feel. Also talking about the emotional connection. It has me feel so much closer to you. You could talk about how when I receive it, it really inspires me to wanna give more. You could go from the angle of receiving is kind of edgy for me. And, I. Think there's a healing experience here I could have with you. Are you open to exploring that with me? Sometimes that can really help them orient around it in a different way. Go to a workshop or class so that they, so that you two have shared language and, and some creative inspiration. I think that can be really helpful. you know, I have had some learners in the past that just hated eating pussy.

4 (54m 42s):

And no matter what I did, they hated eating pussy and they didn't stay around for long. In part because it's empowering to me. And I noticed that in that, in that relationship, I started to feel shame around my body and shame, And I. I was not feeling that way before that. And there was something about not just his like resistance to doing it, but like the face he would have afterwards or just like how he related to it. It was just like, no, this is not how I wanna feel about my body and my pleasure. And, I want a lover who loves and enjoys giving. And that doesn't mean they have to like go down me for an hour every time, but just that they're invested in my pleasure.

0 (55m 22s):

I like that advice too. And I think that whether you are a pussy worshiper and you worship the pussy and you maybe don't have confidence yet in eating pussy, the, the working with it and, and learning is the key. And you know, you talked about this hot breath, let's call it the, the fogged up window technique or something, right? I love that. And one thing that I wanted to share, And I just learned about my body, And I think it's been really helpful is while my partner's going down a me And, I've used this technique a lot. I just And I don't know it's the way my body is designed, but I just lift kind of like, not don't, not, not my vulva, but like right above where my vulva and my pubic bone, me outside I lift.

0 (56m 8s):

and for some reason I, I don't know if it like exposes the clitoris more. And now my partner will do that a little bit while he's giving And I really love that. So I don't know if folks out there have ever tried that. Just a gentle lift. And I've also, during playtime are when we've been like getting down and if he's already had an orgasm and I'm like, okay, I didn't come yet. Let's like get the toy out. I'll put the vibrator on and he'll gently lift that same area and it's like instant motherfucking orgasm. I do a vibrator too. Yeah. Yeah. I can't really figure out how to do it myself. I always need him. 'cause I'm really, you know, the magic wand. Okay, that's vibrator, so I need, I need an extra hand.

0 (56m 49s):

And it's like he, and now he knows it's, it's so incredible. What, when you learn these different techniques, now I'm gonna try the fogged up window technique because I love that that's hot And I don't wear a lot of underwear, but it's a reason to invest in more under wears underwear.

4 (57m 6s):

And also you can do it directly on the, on the V for sure. Sometimes it's like layers. So like first do it on my underwear, then do it directly on my vva. But other times I'm like, just go straight for that hot breath. And what it does is it, it pulls me into my body even as I'm talking about it right now. I notice I'm squirming a little bit because I'm like feeling it and it makes my, my, my clit start to thro a little bit. And it, it just is like, so, it's so safe. I don't have to worry about bracing for too much too soon. And it allows me to take the time I need to reconnect with my own pussy because sometimes I'm in work brain or go, go, go brain ToDoList, brain And, I just need a little bit of coaxing to remember I'm an erotic sexual, sensual self with an amazing pussy that I get to have a relationship with.

4 (57m 58s):

I

0 (57m 58s):

Like that. Yeah, your puss is amazing. Have never seen it, but I, yes, yes, it is And I. I, and this is so, such a fun way to talk about, it's like the Putsy eating two point, how to eat pussy Like a Champ 2.0 episode. And there's been new information, new tips, new techniques, And I know you also have offerings, you have upcoming offerings. This is October, 2024, right? And I think I'm And I. Don't wanna, I, I won't speak for you, but I just want you to tell me moa tell me moa, how can eat a pussy?

4 (58m 28s):

Yes. Well my website is TurnON love or I have a bunch of on demand workshops you can rent anytime from home, including How to Eat Pussy, like a Champ. I'm also working on how to set cock like a champ, which is I think a podcast episode we're gonna record next, which I'm looking forward to. I have a couple of courses that I teach both live sometimes in person, sometimes virtual as well as have as an on-demand rental, including my sustainable intimacy Reignite the Flame for the Long Game, which is a course for couples to get the spark back. We did record an episode on navigating pressure and long-term relationships. Some of that content is in that course. And then every year, January through March, I teach my two month course Sexual Emotional Intimacy Skills.

4 (59m 10s):

This is also a course I teach at Stanford University and I have a special discount code I'm gonna give to your listeners. We can put it in the show notes for this upcoming live offering in January. And if you're listening to this podcast, I dunno, may of next year, and you're like, dang, I missed it, you can always vent on demand or can wait for January of the following year. And then of course, one more thing just to add is if you wanna work with me as a coach, you can reach out to me through my website. I help folks with all sorts of things related to emotional and sexual intimacy.

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TurnON dot love, TurnON dot love. So easy. No dashes, no dots, no hyphens, no pussies unless you are bringing one who Right. Pussies are allowed, they're invited, allowed. I'm just, you know, going with the pussy theme. Sorry, I You're turn Amy Oh, yeah. Oh, well I had just wanna say about your, your coaching. I, well I haven't worked with you, but April And I, you know, we, we know you quite well. I've seen your workshops, we've had you on the show, but I have some friends that have worked with you and they absolutely loved it. So for anyone looking for an amazing sex and relationship coach, I highly recommend it and I've heard fabulous things. Thank you. So, okay. Yes, thank you. And so we already talked about all the how key people can find you, work with you.

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You wanna give us any like last bits, social shoutouts, any of those things?

4 (1h 0m 25s):

Yeah, you can find me at TurnON dot Love and all the socials and yeah, please feel free to reach out. I'm always putting out new offerings and so joining my newsletter on my website is the best way to get access to all my podcast episodes and upcoming offerings, special discounts, all of that.

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The podcast. You don't have your own podcast yet, you guessed or right?

4 (1h 0m 46s):

I, I don't. Okay. But I think at this point I've been on more than fif I've done more than 50 podcast episodes. I

0 (1h 0m 51s):

Know you said you did two today and I'm like, good job. Yeah, because if Amy And, I do too. We are exhausted. Especially we've guested on I think three or four in a row before and we're both like this, like I felt like we ran 17 miles and we don't do that. So you are just an, an incredible resource. And are you still teaching at Stanford as well?

4 (1h 1m 12s):

I am, yes. I'm actually teaching

0 (1h 1m 14s):

This big deal. Dr. Aly, no big deal. Say so you're teaching, okay.

4 (1h 1m 18s):

Yeah, sexual and emotional intimacy skills, which I just have to say for a moment, like, it's so inspiring watching folks like I have undergrads and graduate students, so 18 to, I don't know, maybe late twenties. And it's so inspiring to see the ways that they relate to this material and how progressive sex education has become in our academic institutions. And, I, think even the most progressive sex education doesn't talk about intimacy education, which is different. And so like shout out to Stanford for being progressive in this way. And also like, you know, I have clients in their seventies and it's inspiring to see, you know, folks always learn new tricks, but it's also so great to catch people early before they fall flat on their face in all the ways that I know I did, and I'm sure both of you did, to be able to learn everything that we know.

0 (1h 2m 5s):

Oh. yeah. Oh. yeah. This was such, this was such a necessary follow up to that first release. So of one, one episode 1 0 7 and this is now gonna be in the four hundreds, right? The 400th something episode. Good

4 (1h 2m 20s):

For you two. I'm so, it's been such a delight to watch this whole podcast journey and see how it's unfolded and flown out for the

0 (1h 2m 26s):

Two years you've been there kind of since the beginning. You've been Yeah,

4 (1h 2m 29s):

Yeah,

0 (1h 2m 29s):

Yeah. Awesome. I need to go back and listen to old episodes to just reflect, because I haven't done that for a long time. And I, we're always very judgmental of ourselves. We, I know that's the whole thing. I that's a good way for me to though, to overcome some of my, my blockages, let's call them right? With with, in terms of podcasting. 'cause I'm, I get to be hard on myself, but the reason we love doing this is not only for the amazing guests that we get to learn from, but also our, just our special beautiful, wonderful, incredible listeners out there. The Shameless Sex family, the Shameless Sex revolutionaries. We absolutely adore you. And Amy And I are working on a lot more offerings for everyone out there.

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And we just, we just wanna give you a shout out. Thank you for tuning in and learning how to eat pussy like a Champ 2.0 with Dr Aly checkout, TurnON Love. And that course is in January, 2025. But you can obvi obviously access that new course anytime and all of your other offerings. Or maybe I'll sit in, in a Stanford lecture, be like, hi, Dr. Aly, I'll be fangirling

4 (1h 3m 37s):

Any sign. That would be lovely to have you there. And I look forward to our next podcast on Champ Quality Cocksucking. Yeah,

0 (1h 3m 43s):

Me too. Can't wait. Me too. I I love that topic. And to all of our listeners out there, if you haven't reviewed us, please, please do. All it does is help more people find Shameless Sex. This is a free resource, free tool. Rate us on your favorite podcast app. I always wanna call it iPod app. And I'm like, that's not right. Your favorite. 'cause you might be a, a Android person, which we love. We love all of you and we'll see you next Tuesday. We've never missed one. All right. I love you all CIA for now.

4 (1h 4m 13s):

Bye

0 (1h 4m 14s):

Oh. yeah, we see you next Tuesday. That was perfect. to learn more, go to Shameless Sex dot com and for 15% off some of our favorite sex toys, use code Shameless Sex at pure pleasure shop.com.